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You know, I’ve tried to think of a couple of ways to necessarily go about going through these identifying pros and cons or anything else. However, I think that can be best reflected by the subject matter experts. So, I was going to ask at this time that if Chief or Assistant Chief would like to come up and make a statement regarding those. Thought that this would be a good opportunity for us to kind of see the all-encompassing effect of both of these leases. Police Department Chief Rick Elliott approached the podium and said, thank you Mr. Chair and committee. Originally, I didn’t think I was going to make it tonight. So, Assistant Chief Lynn Waterworth kind of made some comparison notes on this. So, I think as you see in your package there are two proposals for buildings tonight. One, the Methodist Church youth building down here on Union. Then the second piece is a property on Caraway Road, formerly known as the Park Place Inn, owned by Mr. Caldwell. So, there’s two different proposals we’re going to talk about and looking forward for your feedback on these, too. So, I’ll let AC take over and kind of lay it out. Chairman Brian Emison said, thank you, Chief. \r\n\r\nPolice Department Assistant Chief Lynn Waterworth approached the podium and said, so just by the numbers our goal is, like people that we have displaced right now, they’re in different parks buildings and some things like that is to try to consolidate the police services into two buildings. And either one of these options would allow us to do that and the big difference would be like who would move to which building. So, with a larger facility we would move the bulk of our police services to that larger facility and have just our patrol and evidence and those kinds of things over in the Caraway Road building that we currently occupy. With the smaller facility we would move our patrol services and some of those things that are in the different parks buildings to that smaller location. And so, either way we’re going to be able to consolidate into two, just two buildings. Which is a whole lot better than, you know, if you need this police service I’m going to send you over there, but you need this police service, I’ve got to send you over here. So, it would consolidate us into just those two buildings. Either way, we’ve got to do something fairly quickly. I mean, once the construction starts on the 911 center like I would imagine that the building that we’re in on Washington, we’re going to have to get out of that. We’re going to have to vacate that. So, we’ve got to have a pretty quick solution one way or the other. I’ve got estimates as far as cost and things like that. I think you guys have, I would hope, copies of the proposals that shows the difference in the cost. The larger facility initially is $375,000 annually. The other facility would be about $200,000 annually. But again, it just, it’s kind of where we want to go from there. \r\n\r\nChairman Brian Emison said, sure. I know it’s difficult to devour this whale. There’s quite a bit of stuff here to talk about. So, is there any specific items that y’all want to speak directly to or would you rather us open it up to council for questions? Assistant Chief Lynn Waterworth said, it’s whatever you think would…You know, for us, one of the things that’s like how much is the renovation going to cost, like what’s the best bang for your buck, like what’s going to cost more, what’s going to cost less, do we have an option to purchase on down the road, or do we really want to look at this as just a temporary fix but for maybe five years? Chairman Brian Emison said, sure. Anybody on committee? I’ll open this up for questions at this time. \r\n\r\nCouncilmember Brian McClain, I’ll start. So, both five-year leases. Do we anticipate this taking, I mean, building the E-911 and whatever else we need in that facility, do we anticipate that taking five years? Do we anticipate that taking two years? Chief Rick Elliott said, so, the Real Time Crime Center and dispatch, that’s all it’s going to house, nothing else. All the police services that are currently displaced will be displaced until, this tonight, is resolved one way or another. So, when we start construction down here on Washington for that, it will be on the back parking lot of the patrol building. So, it will interfere with some services a little bit, but yeah we can still park down the end of the lot and continue on. But that building is in need of a roof and has been in need of a roof for the past 12 years. So, as the rains continue, the water’s still leaking into the building. So, you know, there’s concerns of a point in time that something’s going to have to be done there or move out of it also. So, the urgency of getting something done here sooner than later is kind of crucial. Then if we do get a chance to vacate that building, as we’re building down here on Washington it may give us a chance to go ahead and take that building down during the process. But as AC said during what we’re looking at tonight is the cost, what is the council looking to invest, how much is it going to take on top of the lease for the church building, what’s the renovation cost, is on us. And by moving the bulk of services into that building, so you’re looking at estimated $1,000,000-$1,500,000 remodel and then whatever fixtures we have to add to that. Go to the Caraway site, 12,000 square foot, I think Mr. Caldwell will in curse a bulk of those cost on renovations, but we’ll still be out some expense. So, a little bit cheaper on lease on that. So, these are some of the factors that y’all have in your paperwork that it’s up to y’all to kind of look at and mull over. Now the church building is 33,000 square foot. Will that meet our needs today, tomorrow, and in the future? Absolutely. But again, at the end of whatever and we’re all fairly confident that in the next five years we’re not going to be building a new Police Department. I don’t think in the next 10 years we’re going to be building a new Police Department. So, whatever we’re committing to on one of these two pieces of property or if anything else pops up in between now and then, wherever we’re going to land is probably going to be a 10 plus year ordeal. \r\n\r\nCouncilmember David McClain said, so you anticipate…What all will move into the facility? Whether that be on Caraway or down here. Help me understand, because I know we’ve got a lease for a building downtown, if I’m not mistaken, that’s on the agenda for the council, to move some of the 911 staff, correct? Chief Rick Elliott said, that’s a temp lease for that staff only. It’s a small, small office space lease. If one of these two properties come in to play and as soon as we can move into them, if the building for the 911 is not built by then, then we can transfer them into whatever we’re acquiring. So, you know, that’s a three year build out, and we acquire something and start moving in any sooner then whatever that lease is, we can cut that lease and move those few staff in to wherever we’re going. Temporary. Councilmember David McClain, okay. I guess I got…Chief Rick Elliott said, so, I think your question was what’s going where. Councilmember David McClain said, mhm. Chief Rick Elliott said, so if we come down here on Church Street, the bulk of police services, administration, and all, we’re going to move down here. Criminal investigations, administration, everything but patrol and evidence and they would, patrol and evidence, would move to Caraway building and then all the services that are displaced in our Parks Department right now, they would all come down here to the Church Street facility. So, we can get everything we need in that building with room left over for the future. If we go to Caraway, everything that’s on the Police Department building on Caraway now will stay. The patrol division and the outlying Parks Department, they will move to that building. So, either way it goes, we’re consolidating into two buildings. The question is, and both will have adequate space for today and one for the longer future and, you know. So, again, there’s overall lease cost, there’s, you know, is there any options to buy a property down the road? Renovation cost to take in consideration. So, this is where we’re back at what decision does this committee want to look at and think we need to go with it. \r\n\r\nChairman Brian Emison said, Councilman McClain, do you have any follow-up? Councilmember David McClain said, not at this time. Chairman Brian Emison said, okay. Yes sir? Councilmember LJ Bryant said, Kevin or me? Chairman Brian Emison said, not sure. Which one had a question? Councilmember Bryant. Councilmember LJ Bryant said, just to expand a little bit more Chief, Assistant Chief, let’s say Caraway Road you think that’s…How much at capacity is it at? How versus the Methodist building, how much capacity are we at versus as we look to the future? Chief Rick Elliott said, so, the next 10 year future, looking…Forecasting 10 years, I think either one would certainly suffice. Obviously, the Union Street, the church facility would cover the next 30-40 years if we were there that long. There’s 33,000 square foot in that building. It’s three floors, the top floor right now is currently, is not even built out. It’s vacant. So, I could house everything but patrol and the motor pool, you know, down this way. Now, on Caraway I have plenty of parking. We have plenty of room. The thing about that property is there’s a lot of land around it. If something happened and we got locked into that thing and if that space was not adequate and we end up buying that building, then there’s room to grow. The egress getting in and out of that is we’ve got Caraway, we can cut through the two restaurants and then through the back alley. The one disadvantage down here on Union, the parking is across the street. There’s a lot across the street that would be part of the lease, but the City would be responsible for seal coating the lot and striping the lot. And I’m looking at parking about 75 cars during the business day on the lot down there. Now, the church has agreed to anything overflow, we can use their lot during business hours during the week or whatever. So, I don’t think that will…Our operation would not interfere with church operation on Wednesday nights or Sundays by any means. Pretty much what would be down here would be, for the most part Monday through Friday operations of police services. So, when I think a representative from, both entities are here tonight also if there’s anything as far as leasing and whatever you have in your packets, they’ll be here to discuss also. \r\n\r\nCouncilmember Chris Moore said, Chief just run down the cost one more time. $375,000 a year on the Methodist church. Assistant Chief Lynn Waterworth said, first year. The first year. They built into their lease proposal a gradual increase from…And that first year is at a bargain, $10.30 a square foot, but it slowly goes up until year 10. They gave a 10 year proposal. Although, we’re only looking at the initial five. Where the other would be steady across the board, the same $16 a square foot. Councilmember Chris Moore said, what’s the step increases on that, Ms. Waterworth? Assistant Chief Lynn Waterworth said, from $10.30 to $11.70 to $12.05. I’ve got the…You talking about annual cost? Councilmember Chris Moore said, yeah. Assistant Chief Lynn Waterworth said, okay. I’ve got the annual cost as well. Councilmember Chris Moore said, Mr. Emison just handed it to me here. I’ve got it. Chief Rick Elliott said, I think it’s part of that lease…Assistant Chief Lynn Waterworth, I started to say like year five would be $422,000 a year. Councilmember Chris Moore said, I see that. So, on Caraway property, what’s the initial lease? Assistant Chief Lynn Waterworth said, it’s $196,528. So, just a little under $200,000. Councilmember Chris Moore said, and on construction cost it was $1,000,000 plus on the Methodist church? Chief Rick Elliott said, that is not by any architectural means by, you know, that’s just kind of spit balling what it would take to come in and add what we need to add. That is a very rough number, but at the end of the day that is something we’re going to have to look at is, and figuring into this, that hey we’ve got to come up with this plus that. If it’s $1,000,000 or $1,500,000, I don’t know. But we’re adding more, we’re condensing that, more people into that building. So, that means more office space…Chief Waterworth said, more cost. Chief Rick Elliott said, and more equipment. Assistant Chief Lynn Waterworth said, more cost. And it doesn’t have the, if you think about public access to a law enforcement facility, you don’t want everybody to just be able to walk in the back door. You want to have some security to your facility. I mean, even our accreditation points that out. And so, and that’s not what a church building’s designed for. It’s not designed for limited public access. It’s designed for everybody to come in. So, there would be some cost to kind of, you know, set up that. \r\n\r\nCouncilmember Chris Moore said, we’re thinking $1,000,000 plus on construction plus then going across the street and seal coating and restriping the block over there. Assistant Chief Lynn Waterworth said, yes sir. Councilmember Chris Moore said, what about on the Caraway Road? What is, what’s our initial construction to move in over there? Chief Rick Elliott said, from speaking with Mr. Caldwell, a lot of that cost would be on him. I’m not sure how much, if it’d be 100% or what, but and if I’m misspeaking, he’s welcome to step up and correct me on that, but during… Councilmember Chris Moore said, you’re expecting a 10 year lifespan before we would either build a new police station or move out of that one. $1,000,000 plus on initial construction is a pretty good chunk when we’re lease Caraway Road for $200,000 a year. We had the first five years for free. That’s what I’m considering here, is…Chief Rick Elliott said, yes sir. That’s, again, our job is to present you with the information that we have and you as a committee to take it from there and digest. And again, you know, doing our… We look at the same thing, is the cost at the end of the day, you know, is there an option to buy the church property? You know, I don’t know if that’s been defined, you know, available or not. There is an option on the Caraway building. We can either buy it up front, with it being commercial property, I think it’d certainly be an investment if we end up buying it down the road and did build a big new Police Department 10, 15, 20 years down the road. That would be a property that would be easy to sell. I think both of them would be good. \r\n\r\nCouncilmember Chris Gibson said, isn’t that property about five acres on Caraway? Somewhere in that ballpark. Chief Rick Elliott said, roughly. Councilmember Chris Gibson said, okay. So, would that give you adequate room for possibly future expansion and parking? Chief Rick Elliott said, yes. Yeah, there’s plenty of…The building’s 12,000 square foot and behind it’s a huge green space that we could certainly add fencing and add secure parking as time grows, time goes on. So it’s, for convenience, it’d be ideal for our patrol officers to be able to pull up the side of the building, walk right in for their meeting and get out and go different directions depending on traffic. Looks good. Now, of course patrol would be on Caraway if we should go with church, patrol will be in the Caraway complex at that point and for them getting in and out it’s still not going to be a problem. \r\n\r\nCouncilmember Chris Moore said, my commitment has always been to build you a new station from scratch. So, the idea at the end of the lease of purchasing it it’s really not figuring into my decision because I think y’all deserve a new building that houses everybody and we had that discussion on Washington. So, I mean I’m trying to…So, in your opinion and both your opinion either one of them will work for you and you can make do with either one of our decisions. Chief Rick Elliott said, we can make do with either one of your decisions. Correct. Assistant Chief Lynn Waterworth said, we always do. Councilmember Chris Moore said, I mean that’s just bringing it down to a financial decision for me, because you’re both telling me that either one is adequate. I’m telling you that in 10 years we’re going to be building a new station, so we just have to figure out which one’s going to be the best bang for our buck for that 10 year period. Chief Rick Eliott said, how much money you going to invest and then walk away from at the end of the day? Councilmember Chris Moore said, I got you. Thank you, Chief. Chief Rick Elliott said, okay.\r\n \r\nCouncilmember Kevin Miller said, one more question. And assuming we say go with either one of them, what kind of timeline do we think, because there’s going to have to be a remodel period, but I don’t know if we’re talking it’ll take two weeks to remodel or two years for each facility. Because I do know we have people scattered and we do need to address that. Chief Rick Elliott said, correct. Councilmember Kevin Miller said, we’re not going to do a knee jerk reaction tonight, but we do need to address that sooner than later. What kind of time would it take to do a remodel? Chief Rick Elliott said, so your first step is, we have to get our architect on board for… Councilmember Kevin Miller said, right I understand the steps I didn’t know if we had a rough idea. *both talking at the same time* Chief Rick Elliott said, be a contract have to come back I’m assuming through the council to do that. And then the second phase would be getting a contractor on board to do a, what needs to be done. And again, if we’re footing the bill for that, then that’s on us. If Mr. Caldwell is footing the bill on construction down here, then he may have resources to get it done quicker. I don’t know, that would be a question maybe he could answer. Councilmember Kevin Miller said, okay. Chief Rick Elliott said, so, what exact cost that he may cover for down there, what needs to be done. Again, that, I would say direct your questions to him. Assistant Chief Lynn Waterworth said, I think there is some information in the packets that you have. If you think about it just from a commonsense standpoint, a smaller building is going to take a smaller time to build out. \r\n\r\nCouncilmember David McClain said, looking at the, it says the tenant would only have, we’d have $200,000 in improvement, is that correct? We have $200,000 so if it’s more than that then we got the rest of it. And the building down here off Union, we have no allowance. Assistant Chief Lynn Waterworth said, correct. Councilmember Brian McClain said, have we, have either entity approached us about buying either one or, and have we asked that question about purchasing? Chief Rick Elliott said, so the place on Caraway is for sale as we speak, so that is an option if you wanted to buy it straight up. The church, right now, does not have that option. \r\n\r\nCouncilmember Chris Moore said, what is the asking price for the property on Caraway, Chief? Chief Rick Elliott said, Mr. Caldwell? Carroll Caldwell said off mic, little over $2,000,000. Councilmember Chris Moore said, $2,000,000? Chief Rick Elliott said, and again, that goes back to is that an investment the City wants to make to something we would actually own in 10 to 15 years, if we do vacate it for a new building, could we recoup our money? I just ask that you take that into consideration also. Councilmember Chris Moore said, I noticed that we have the of proponents for both of the properties here. Do either one of them, Carroll do you want to say anything about your property on Caraway Road? Mr. Caldwell said off mic, sure. Councilmember Chris Moore said, and then I think Mr. Parker’s here for the church. Let’s hear from both of them.\r\n\r\nColdwell Banker Village Communities real estate agent Carroll Caldwell approached the podium and said, half the buildings already built out. Chief’s had the keys for a while. So, you don’t have to spend any money in 6,000 square feet. Bathroom’s already in, buildings firewall is already in. So, the $200,000 is about what it’s going to cost to do the total build out on the other side. So, any other questions? I think that was…The time frame after an architect, after you put it out for bids I’d say three months. But the 6,000 that’s ready now, you can have the keys tomorrow. You can move in it tomorrow. \r\n\r\nCouncilmember Chris Gibson said, is there an opportunity to apply a portion to the lease of the purchase price? Carroll Caldwell said, no. Councilmember Chris Gibson said, you knew I was going to ask. I always ask you when we’re talking real estate. Councilmember Chris Moore said, what’s that initial lease on that, Carroll? What’s the time frame on that? A year at the time? Two years? Or five years? Carroll Caldwell said, well, we offered five. We’re open minded to whatever it takes. You know, when it’s finished, you shouldn’t have to spend any money on it at all. The $200,000 I think is enough money to do the build out on the other half. You got to do heat and air, electrical, and plumbing and that’s it. That’s 6,000…I was told there’s going to be a lot of cubicles and like I said, the 6,000 square feet, you can start moving in tomorrow. You don’t have to do one single thing. It meets all the fire code stuff. It meets the privacy about what he was talking about, where I think the public can’t go in part of it or something like that. Is that right? Okay, the building’s already set up for that. Just a stroke of luck that it is, but it is. \r\n\r\nCouncilmember David McClain said, I think Chief, you touched on a little bit, but do we have enough parking at both? I assume the building downtown we have enough parking. Do we have enough parking on Caraway? Carroll Caldwell said, yeah, there’s 30 something spots right in front and 82 on the side. We’ve got plenty of parking. Councilmember David McClain said 32 and 82, okay. Carroll Caldwell said, and it’s already in. Chief Rick Elliott said, again the parking that comes with the church, across the street, it would be adequate for current staff that would be there, the 72 cars that would be there daily. But if we had a class, which this has some nice classroom, would be a nice classroom area. If I brought in 30-50 more people during that day we could overflow over on the other church lot. But the same is true down here on Caraway. We won’t have quite as many cars there because I’m not taking everybody out of the Caraway building, but if there will be a training room there, a large training room that I desperately need would be down there. So, if I brought a class of 30-40 people in I still have room for those attendees plus what staff would be in that building day in and day out. So, the short answer to your question is yes adequate, parking would be adequate on both spots. \r\n\r\nCouncilmember Chris Moore said, Chief the $2,600 lease we’re considering on Main Street for six months tonight, would if we took the smaller place on Caraway, would there be room for them in six months? Chief Rick Elliott said, yes sir. Yeah, we can certainly carve out a piece for them and the training room that we’re talking about would suffice for them and they’re training these for dispatchers. Councilmember Chris Moore said, my main concern is if we went with a smaller facility, would we eventually be able to move them into it. Chief Rick Elliott said, yeah. There would be room both places to accommodate them and then if anything else popped up, we can probably make those accommodations also. Some of the additional cost on this besides the build out, going to a cubicle concept that’ll be some office furniture. It’ll be some funding for that that’ll need to be…So, I’m trying to cut down on the number of walls that’s going up and go to more of an open area with a cubicle design to kind of help cut down on construction cost. So, it’ll just be a little more efficient and cost savings. And then down the road if we do get a new building, whatever, then equipment, we can pick up the cubicles and move them elsewhere. \r\n\r\nChairman Brian Emison said, does anybody else have any more questions for Mr. Caldwell? Okay, at this time I’ll have Mr. Parker come up and speak to the FUMC building. And Chief, you might just want to hang out. Don Parker approached the podium and said, thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name’s Don Parker and I am chairman of the Board of Trustees of the First United Methodist Church. We were contacted I think back in November or December, about the possibility of leasing our youth building. Which has really been underutilized since it was built and certainly we welcome the opportunity to visit with the City and there were a lot of discussions went back and forth and we put together a proposal based on what I had understood was would be acceptable to the City. I kind of hear tonight, it’s more indefinite terms and I’m just here to tell you if there’s some negotiation to be done, we’re certainly willing to negotiate. The building is 36,000 square feet not 33,000. I did want to make that clarification and when we started looking at it, I had understood that at least the first two floors would be pretty much ready to move in. And so, tonight hearing a million dollar number for renovation was a little shocking to me as I’m sure it was to you all. I think that, and again I don’t know exactly, things may have changed since we went through the building with Chief and other city officials. But there are a number of individual offices and rooms that could be easily converted I think fairly cheaply for use for city services with the Police Department. So, we have our proposal. I know there’s been some discussion about an option to purchase. Certainly, we would consider that if it’s something the council wanted. My understanding was the City’s not in real position to do some buying right now. But if that’s important to the City then we would certainly consider that from the church’s perspective. And I’ll be glad to answer any questions that you all may have about the facility or about our proposal. \r\n\r\nChairman Brian Emison said, thank you, Mr. Parker. Only thing that I have is some questions that were submitted by the committee or anybody else that was on council and I think a lot of these have been spoken to tonight. And of course, you being said that we’re open to negotiation on some of these, but you know one of these that came up that I think is not necessarily covered in there is like the clarification on the depreciation process for roof repairs. Could you speak to that? Don Parker said, that was actually I thought a good suggestion by Brian when we were talking about if there was, let’s say you leased it for 10 years and there was a new roof required in year eight. And we put, you know, 20 year roof on it. Well, at the end of the lease, if the city moved out and didn’t continue leasing the facility, we, the church, would pay the City back the unamortized portion, i.e. 18 years for the roof. So, basically you’re paying for whatever you pay for if you move out you’re recouping the unamortized cost. Chairman Brian Emison said, yes sir. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions for Mr. Parker? \r\n\r\nCouncilmember David McClain said, we heard a purchase number on Caraway, what would…Has the church thought about a number for purchase? Don Parker said, we have not thought about the number, but we would certainly consider a reasonable proposal. Probably an appraisal would be an appropriate thing to do. And I guarantee you could buy an existing building cheaper than you could build a new one. Councilmember David McClain said, thank you. \r\n\r\nCity Attorney Carol Duncan said, I have one quick question on… There was something on there that said court services was allowed, but probation was not allowed and on the misdemeanor side, that’s the same thing. So, would probation services for the misdemeanors be allowed in that building? Because right now they’re one of the unhoused groups form 410. Don Parker said, those were… Those, that list of approved divisions was what we received. So, I think there might have been some confusion there, but the biggest thing I think we did not, there was some church members that didn’t think it would be appropriate for District Court to be located there. \r\n\r\nChairman Brian Emison said, do we have any more questions for Mr. Parker? Councilmember David McClain said, I guess one last question, and this may be Chief, Mr. Parker also. It’s 36,000 square feet, is that, Chief, big enough to consolidate the current Caraway Road and the current everything that we have besides the Real Time building that will be eventually built? Chief Rick Elliott said, I cannot essentially shut down Caraway Road, move to one facility because patrol operations are 24 hours, 7 days a week and trying to run that patrol out of this building down here, not being able to park next to the building. Just not feasible. Councilmember Chris Moore said, not to mention, let me remind you that if we close down Caraway Road, we no longer have control of that building. It reverts to either ASU or the U.S. Army. Chief Rick Elliott said, so this building, moving everything into one building, I would lose bay access, my motor pool. So, either building there’s no way I can walk away from the Caraway building until we take in consideration, if we’re going to build a brand new complex. It’ll have to include evidence, a large motor pool. So, whatever cost we were talking, previously talking about, jack that up a considerable amount. And then plus the lot for storage, I don’t think all the storage and evidence vehicles sitting down there on Caraway we want on the church lot down here on Union. You know, down here on Caraway, everything’s kind of behind the building, out of sight, out of mind for the most part. But you put that out on main drive thru, the curb appeal is just not there. Councilmember David McClain said, thank you. Chairman Brian Emison said, any further questions? Chief Rick Elliott said, we could always build a fence, but a tall 10 foot wooden fence around that lot would be another building, but. And I, again even consolidating everything down there, I would have to have actually more parking because that lot’s going to be full as it is with 70 cars and if I took everything else plus the extra vehicles I would need both lots. So, at the end of the day, Caraway I’d like to stay as is. Services will still be split to some degree just depends what building we go with and which will go where and we’ve already kind of discussed that. \r\n\r\nChairman Brian Emison said, any other questions for Chief or Mr. Parker? Chief Rick Elliott said, and to back up Mr. Parker’s comment about the $1,000,000, yeah there are parts of that building that we can’t walk in and immediately use don’t get me wrong, but if I’m taking everything, all the investigative and records out of Caraway and moving down here. Because there’s no sense in buying or leasing a 36,000 square foot building for just a handful of people. If I’m going to move police operations then yeah, there’s going to be more walls and probably going up on the third floor and more furniture so the cost plus construction I think would be very high. But again, the furniture aspect of it, yeah, we keep, walk away and go back to a new building, whatever. That investment is still there, but there will be some certain inherent construction cost. And again, we’re having to pay for architect either way we go. So, questions? \r\n\r\nDon Parker said, Chief, I did want to add one thing. There was discussions early on about just leasing the first two floors, which really satisfies the City’s needs, but just from an access standpoint it didn’t really make a lot of sense. We talked about it and it was kind of difficult to figure out how we could both use the building. The third floor is unfinished. It’s heated and cooled, but it is not finished out. It’s one wide open space. It’s lighted and heated and cooled. So, there would be, you could basically design it however you wanted to I think like the building on Caraway. Chief Rick Elliott said, correct. The only concern that if we didn’t take the third floor, if it’s still left with the church then that falls under sieges concerns, being compliant with the feds on our computers and things being secured. So, there’s a federal government guideline there that component we have to take into consideration on secure facilities. We could make it happen, we could harden it, but it would be changing out doors and a lot of locks, but again I’m not saying it can’t be done. I’m just saying it would drive the cost. Chairman Brian Emison said, anything else for Chief or Mr. Parker? Chief Rick Elliott said, everything’s up for discussion and consideration. \r\n\r\nChairman Brian Emison said, alright thank you gentlemen. Appreciate y’all. Alright, this has given us a lot to think about tonight. A lot of numbers, a lot of I’s to dot T’s to cross. Things to necessarily work out before we continue any discussions on these items. So, at this time we’ll go ahead and we will close comments for other communications. If anybody has any questions that they necessarily thought of or anything, any additional information that they need to move forward in these please feel free to send it to myself and I’ll distribute it to the accurate parties. \r\n\r\nCouncilmember Chris Moore said, Mr. Chair, while we’re waiting on public comments, I noticed Mr. Caldwell’s proposal had a 30 day deadline on it. Are you anticipating calling a special meeting in say, two weeks to decide which one of these two proposals we’re going to go with? Chairman Brian Emison said, I think that would be applicable or Mr. Caldwell, how, are we good on that 30 days or could it be extended to 45 or 60? *Mr. Caldwell says we’ll extend it off mic* Okay, gotcha. 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